She may not currently be… In a one-on-one confrontation, Yoda would win because he’s really the more powerful of the two. And the most important feat, is she beating fking full power Palpatine... the one dude that just soled an ENTIRE FLEET OF SHIPS by far the most powerful feat in Star wars canon, and for Rey to be even close to that level, not only that but also beating him. Your destiny. Only different in your mind. If she continues to grow and is trained by Luke Skywalker’s force ghost, Rey has the potential to become stronger than Vader was. Or Vader could’ve absorbed Kanan and Ezra due to there connection and grew his limbs back. Rey is included because there's no doubt that she will become one of the strongest Jedi ever. If you count Kylo/Ben I think she comes in second then. Found a Jedi temple and trained a load of people. In the galaxy far, far away, though, people want to rule a lot more than just one world. Master Kenobi was in control of his fear, anger, jealously, and any other negative emotion that could dim the connection to the Force. Yoda spoke of it. 2. Instead, she might be a Kenobi. That might be why he never hunted down Luke on Tatooine (or if he tried, he was unsuccessful). After reading wesskwalker’s theory, the latter seems to be the more likely of the two. But them being a dyad, and the last of their force lineage it makes them the strongest. Even Obi-Wan acknowledged fear and anger being pillars of the Dark Side. If you don’t face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the world will be lost. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker star John Boyega has some controversial opinions regarding who the best Jedi is. luke floated in tlj, so it seems to be a meditative thing as it's only ever seen then, the dyad seems to allow them to be able to effect one another to a greater degree than anyone else, as the force heal on the worm creature heals its wounds, in their case it saves them from death (albeit requiring one of their lives to do so), so it's an equivalent exchange of sorts, the force bond duel shows that it's basically a force version of quantum entanglement, where the actions of 1 effect the person/area around them even when they aren't physically present in the same space. I’d estimate around 30000. For the next fourteen years, she awaited her family's return in vain. Obi Wan Kenobi: Rey. Anakin/Vader, Yoda, Luke etc are stronger. Vaders force power got alot stronger at least thats what i believe the comics and books are telling . But that's not fair because she's the only Jedi of her generation. Trained Kylo Ren. 6. This is another debate that has raged on for … KEEP READING: Star Wars: The Vintage Collection Hasbro Figures Feature Sith Troopers. It’s pretty much black and white, and from the get-go, it's compelling. Has Obi-Wan been the backbone of the Star Wars universe for the past 40-some-odd years, and we were too busy worrying about that troublesome Skywalker clan the entire time? Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. The most frequently reported theory is that Rey is actually Obi-Wan’s granddaughter. It’s been done before. Palpatine doesn’t want any of that. Remember, all viewpoints and critiques are welcome here - but for excessive ranting and blind cynicism, we ask that you please visit other communities more suitable to your tastes. He was able to stop Poe’s blaster bolt in mid-air on Jakku. Villain destroyed by his own hubris and all that. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in theaters now.. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. At the end of the day, the epic space opera may be the fears of an old man trying to snuff out any notion of freedom and hope. At the age of five, she was dropped off on the planet Jakku. Yoda. As mentioned previously, this movie is intense and violent. Finn Actor Says Anakin Skywalker Is a Better Jedi Than Rey & Kylo, Huge Debate Ensues. And lastly, Rey. rey lifting hundreds of rocks is just the escalation of showing someone is strong, as each saga had different power scales. The protection drain in his link will obviously work better vs GL Rey/JML comps than it will against SLKR - this is just because SLKR lineups usually run KRU and sometimes Malak (reduced damage from % effects). Yoda. and Yoda's just one Jedi because he isn't the true chosen one who will channel ALL THE JEDI, Rey Palpatine. Your destiny. Too Hard To Tell... For Now - Mace Windu. Yoda: [Yoda summons lightning to burn down the tree and the Jedi texts. tldr; based on visuals she is far and away the strongest, based on story there is nothing to suggest palpatine is any stronger in tros than he was in rots or rotj, it's just a difference of style depicting the power in different ways, her feats dwarf most of the jedi council, though i think this may also be due to the film making, as the years roll on things need to be "bigger faster more intense", so if we get a film set before the phantom menace i don't doubt that the feats will be well above the other films (perhaps not quite on the level of the dyad though). Mike Fugere is writer from Virginia Beach, where he lives with his two sons and wife. looking at it along with the prequels you'd think the ot jedi and sith were weaker than padawan's given the speed and acrobatics we see and how easily objects are moved with the force compared to luke's saber or the x wing, but we know that's not the case, the sequel trilogy dials back the speed and lightsaber combat to put it back to the same level as the ot, but compensates by increasing the force powers effects, (the dyad is used to explain rey and ren's powers being buffed near each other, as rey is able to heal his fatal wound and he is able to resurrect her, something that was considered impossible in the prequels.). By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. despite having 4 of the most powerful force users of all time the original trilogy uses the active force powers sparingly and fights are slow and methodical, had abrams directed it or had it been made later i'm sure it'd have been more ostentatious. ... How Yoda plays a key role in Star Wars' new series. 9-A with … Either way, yes, Palpatine is either above Yoda in Legends due to ridiculous Legends Palpatine feats, or above Yoda in canon because he's ALL THE SITH!!! I hate to say but her resume of powers would deems her the most powerful Jedi we’ve seen in film. ‍♂️. Its … He can take out numerous Jedi Masters and even Yoda. The quantification of any spiritual ideology is pretty much ridiculous, especially when it’s predicated upon a predetermined level of microbe organisms living in one's body. If we did then half the shit in the other movies wouldn’t have happened. And one last thing...through the force anything is possible. Cyclops was right. Follow him on his personal Twitter @MikeFugere. I think the only thing she lacks is being better in lightsaber combat, where i think most Jedi masters would beat her. It is a curated space to talk about additions to canon in a larger perspective—incorporating analysis of the story being told and the real life factors around it in order to best theorize what comes next. But keep in mind that Luke was not connected to the force at that point and he didnt measure her midichlorians either, so there is no way he could have been sure. No, we probably can't say that Rey is stronger with the Force than Yoda, Palpatine, Anakin, etc. As a result, the closest thing to a “fight” that we’d ever see between these two would have to be started by a confused Rey (confused as she’d have to assume Yoda was an enemy), and it would be over before it began. That leads into another theory that's been floating around since the release of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. I see SEE as being quite largely superior as a unit. Even regular Rey has better force feats than movie Yoda. Luke Skywalker: [Yoda appears as a ghost] Master Yoda.. Yoda: Young Skywalker.. Luke Skywalker: I'm ending all of this.The tree, the texts, the Jedi. And Anakin was the strongest Force user alive with a higher midichlorian count than even master Yoda, right? The scene of Rey and Ben pulling at the legacy saber on the Supremacy suggests that they are actually equally stong in the force. The prequel trilogy tried desperately to give the mysterious, metaphysical energy from which the Jedi and the Sith draw their power a unit of measurement (enter: midi-chlorians). The film arrives on Dec. 20. ... (to Rey) 1. What's most striking about the theory is the implications it holds. No. Read the comics/novels. Perhaps Obi-Wan has always been there as something of an usher to make sure Anakin brings balance to the Force (the theory even states as much), but the subsequent rise of the Dark Side in the sequel trilogy proves that establishing balance doesn’t rest on the shoulders of one prophesied person. If you wondering whether your little ones will be ok, check out my ‘Is the Rise of Skywalker kid friendly‘ review. You must unlearn what you have learned. neither of them can pull the saber closer than the other. as for palpatine, she found her place, learning her heritage and rejecting it and the throne of the sith in favor of the jedi and so was able to hear the voices of the thousand generations, so her surviving palpatine is a combined feat, his death was caused by his own lightning. i think the reason it's hard to compare is because the style of the film maker effects the story being told / visuals on screen. She was certainly far more precocious in her knowledge of the Force than … Vol. with Ben being dead Rey is clearly the strongest force user alive but also compared to the earlier generations. Yoda. She was meditating in the first few moments of TROS. ... Rey. Darth Sidious pre Oder 66Darth Sidious pre Oder 66 era is more powerful than Lord Vader. given the dialogue and display of power in TLJ we can assume that she is atleast the strongest force user in the movies, Luke about Reys Force Powers: "I have seen such raw strength only once before in Ben Solo.". However, figuring out which Force-user, be they Sith or Jedi, happens to be more powerful than their peers is far easier to navigate, as Reddit user wesskywalker lays out in a rather convincing fan theory. He laughs] Ah, Skywalker.Missed you, have I. Luke Skywalker: So it is time for the Jedi Order to end. the ship pulling scene is fine for me, we've seen it before, and in the same film it shows the falcons engines blasting people away and kylo has to use the force to stop himself from being harmed rather than focusing on grabbing the ship, plus the ship they grabbed was a small transport and emphasized that the falcon was fast/powerful enough to out perform an x wing, a real life analogy would be the transport is a helicopter the falcon is a blackbird the difference in power is huge. Asadora! They can literally stop people from dying. They can pull ships out the air with the force. List of Over 100 Star Wars Episode IX Quotes. They are both now the most powerful Force users (though Yoda scared the sh-t out of me in TLJ!). He has published short stories in several publications including Rooster Republic Press. She kept saying “be with me” hoping that Jedi of the past would speak to her. Anakin could’ve healed padme or palpatine could’ve healed anakin on mustafar. Now, keep in mind this theory isn’t saying Obi-Wan is packed to the gills with midi-chlorians, hence he is number one. But yea they made Rey a Jedi Powerhouse. Not only was Rey the first that truly defeated the most powerful Sith Lord, but she also showed her strong connection with the Force by calling upon the most powerful Jedi for assistance, proving her to be one of the strongest force users in all of Star Wars. 12 Stronger: Ajunta Pall So I’ll give you one more chance to look away if you haven’t seen Star Wars: Episode IX. He cares nothing for the Sith. Welcome to r/StarWarsSpeculation! Rey though is a Jedi but Kylo is not a Sith. Even if she developed these incredible feats, by reading the texts and be part of a strong lineage, Yoda, for example, remains stronger, wiser. Technically kill you with a half teleportation technique while they’re still at there separate location. Well Anakin was conceived by the force w/ stronger potential than even Yoda and spent years honing his abilities and he never became as strong as Rey. A Star Wars fan theory suggests there's plenty of evidence in the prequels that Obi-Wan Kenobi was the most powerful Force user. The following is what we do know. Click the button below to start this article in quick view. Yeah. After all, this is an inter-generational story about space wizards and laser swords that occurred a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. 1 Yoda Trained With The Force For 800 Years I can rationalize the whole chosen one issue by keeping in mind that Anakin destroyed the Sith, Rey merely prevented a new rise. A one-stop shop for all things video games. 5. We saw Ren use the Force in ways we haven’t witnessed before. Luke Skywalker: Rey, some things are stronger than blood. 0. Her and Kylo are actually equal. Rey Skywalker is a human female scavenger who discovered her latent Force-sensitivity while on a quest to find the legendary Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and bring a new hope to a galaxy on the brink of war. palpatine states the dyad has existed before (given revans canonization i wonder if that will be linked to him and bastilla), so it's possible other jedi had comparable boosted feats, and healing was apparently a technique in one of the books luke had. Yoda was peaceful and used violence only when necessary — in defense of himself or others, or to attack a Sith. Who tracked down and dispatched General Grevious, a literal Jedi killing machine? Naturally, fans rejected the points-based system of measurement for the Force, and with good reason. It doesn’t work so she floats down. Past things through the force. She only defeated him in TFA's because he was a total mess in so many ways. Rey is not only more powerful than Luke, she possesses the strength of all the Jedi combined. This theory posits that Obi-Wan Kenobi might be the most powerful Jedi audiences have encountered in the entire saga thus far. This along with many other questions about Rey … Like Revenge of the Sith Palpatine would have beat her, so would Windu and Yoda and Anakin (which even John Boyega agreed to). Its evidence is on the screen. i.e palpatines power is so great fisto couldn't predict his attack and couldn't react, if rey's power dwarfs another saber wielders there's no reason to think the same thing wouldn't happen to them. Yea we didn’t have that in the other movies. But the young Jedi Padawan defeated Maul in the heat of the moment after tapping into anger, and possibly fear, from watching his master, Qui Gon Jin, cut down. If Mace Windu could’ve killed palp by his own lightning then he would’ve made him explode too. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. And if bloodlines have any direct correlations with the level of power gained from tapping into the Force, then Rey would be the greatest threat to whatever form the Sith has taken. gauging who would win in a saber duel is also hard as it too relies on the style the filmmaker chooses, the novelizations claim palpatine moves at speeds that only windu can see when he kills kit fisto and the other jedi, yet to the audience it's a slow telegraphed stab, in a new hope obi wan and vader have a low energy duel but as seen in rebels with the defeat of maul obi-wan is far superior to his episode 3 self. Please be reasonable and open-minded. The crux of the argument lies in the battle between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul in the third act of The Phantom Menace. No different. Over the years, she became a proficient scavenger employed under Unkar Plutt, and had to turn in any piece scrap she could salvage in return for food. Look i dont like her character too much either but im talking about the FEATS she has, not her character, nor how is she so strong are in talk here. Work together with your fellow speculators in an attempt to build understanding as we collectively try to unlock the secrets of upcoming Star Wars media! Some things are stronger than blood. It’s a dark side power and in order to use it one must feed it with fear, anger, or hate, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the starwarsspeculation community, Continue browsing in r/starwarsspeculation. Thank you and May the Force Be With You! That doesn’t mean she’s stronger than Ren, though. There’s no conjecture or wild extrapolations. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. I think her matter transfer thing is only something she could do with her dyad partner. (3) Darth Sidious: could arguably stalemate Yoda or even beat him, especially by the time of ROTJ and DE. Add that to the fact that she is a Palpatine and you have your answer. But one could argue palpatine was the most powerful (held the most power) throughout the 9 movies. We’ve seen Sith Lords test their apprentices time and time again, and the more you examine the relationship between Palpatine and Darth Vader, it quickly become apparent that the former had little faith in the latter. They can. The greatest teacher, failure is. Directed and co-written by J.J. Abrams, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker stars Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Domhnall Gleeson, Kelly Marie Tran, Joonas Suotamo, Billie Lourd, Keri Russell, Anthony Daniels, Mark Hamill, Billy Dee Williams, Matt Smith and Carrie Fisher, with Naomi Ackie and Richard E. Grant. Kannan Jarus: In the heart of a Jedi lies their strength. The scene of Rey and Ben pulling at the legacy saber on the Supremacy suggests that they are actually equally stong in the force. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. so when we see rey and ren (who are stated to be absurdly strong by luke and palpatine) fight it's hard to judge based on the way they swing as that was a film making decision (in case i'm not being clear, what i mean is if the anakin and obi-wan fight was directed by abrams of johnson it would look very different to what we got). That implies Ben was stronger in the force user than Palpatine, Yoda and Vader/Anakin (at the time of ESB/ ROTJ). Cookies help us deliver our Services. Kylo would understandably be high, as he is grandson of Anakin, but 24000 seems a bit high. Rey was born to unidentified parents. Hell, her and Ben. Several fans have floated the idea that Rey isn’t related to the Solos or the Skywalkers or even Palpatine, as previously hypothesized. That means one of two things is true: Either Kenobi was able to suppress his feeling in order to take down Maul, or it he was able use his fear and anger as a strength. Tier: 9-A naturally. Imo Palpatine was definitely nowwhere near his peak really in TROS despite doing all the things you mentioned. Snoke spoke of the balance between light and dark. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please be respectful and courteous to your fellow speculators - and be sure to check out our sidebar for the rules of this sub. It’s nigh impossible to quantify the Force in Star Wars. i mean if we're just going by the films nothing anakin or obi-wan does is comparable. Palpatine may have seen Obi-Wan’s power. Despite her initial strength, Rey is not strong enough to surpass Darth Vader, yet. As much as a faction of fans will probably hate to admit it, the whole space opera may hinge on Rey’s fate. 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